Got my new RPW pipes today. They say I need to install the stage 1 download so they don't blue. I think no problem I'll have the Dealer download it. Call them up and he said" sorry unless you bought Victory Stage 1 pipes, we cannot download anything. We need a "card" that comes with the pipes.  Is this bullshit or what.

 

Going to put in the Power Commander instead.

 

When are they going to get a Dealer that wants to service the customer.

It is not bullshit, Vic pipes come with a download card that allows the Factory Victory FI/Computer mapping to be downloaded from Vic.

 

I am more surprised that you were not made aware of this from either RPW or the vndor that sold you the pipes. Now if that was the dealer then yes, it is BS on their part otherwise let the chips fall where they may.

What you can't buy a stage 1 download?, Why not? You can get power commander maps all day for free.

Who said you need to install the Stage One download, your dealer or RPW or someone else?

I asked the question when I bought my shot guns.

If I sold my stage one pipes, could the buyer get the download ?

I'm sure they told me yes, the download was around $160 Canadian, if I remember correctly.

Stock downloads are free, except for the labor involved in hooking the bike up and flashing the ECU. Stage downloads come as an authorization card with the stage pipes. S&S download authorization cards come with their airboxes. Stage downloads should be available from dealers as a parts and labor deal.

Ok i have a question that might be lame but here goes. 

Any change to the flow rate of the intake or the exhaust requires the ECM to meter different amounts of fuel into the motor.  Changing pipes without the intake has the least effect but it has an effect non the less.  On the closed loop bikes the O2 sensor can adjust certain areas of the map to take advantage of the new pipes IF the changes are very very small.  Larger changes will fall outside it's ability to compensate.  Also, the bike is only using the sensors over a very narrow range of it's function, just enough to satisfy the EPA.  Areas like hard acceleration or WOT are not areas of the map that run in closed loop but they are the areas you motor is worked the most and where the proper tune is critical to performance and longevity.  Slapping on a pipe that flows more air, especially at high throttle openings WILL make an already lean bike run leaner.  Sustained use at these extremes without correcting it with a remap or a PC or a VFC will burn a valve or other not so fun things.

Bottom line, if you change ANYTHING in the motor's intake or exhaust system you MUST compensate with a different fuel curve.  Whether you choose to do that with a remap or an addon fueling device is your choice.

BTW, to the OP who commented about free PC maps, those are only good after you purchase the unit from them so you aren't getting anything for free and most of those maps were sent to them by their customers so they have very little invested in them.

O2 sensors offer minimal adaptation to varying fuel conditions. Intake, fuel mixture and exhaust  have an iron-clad interelationship. If any one is changed more than slightly, the others have to be changed to maintain balance. Add more air to the fuel mixture by adding a more free flowing airbox, you have to add more fuel to maintain the proper ratio (About 13.2/1 for Vics I believe.) Change exhaust gas volume and velocity by burning more fuel in the cylinders, get new pipes to accomodate the change. Get a more, or, less, free flowing exhaust with more or less scavanging, exhaust gas volume and velocity have to be changed accordingly. Now start correcting for throttle position, RPM's and variations in load. Getting it all right is what tuning is about. It gets pretty complex, which is why a good tuner is worth his weight in gold.

When I was seriously on the war path about the popping issue with my pipes I asked about re flashing my bike and was told that per Vic's "digital wrench" program, it only allowed on "authorized" down load per VIN. It does make sense that Vic should sell additional downloads for a price, as long as it isn't supposed to be done on a Sunday.

personally I think your dealership is blowing smoke.  I see no reason why you can't buy a download for the stage I without the pipes.

I bought new Stage 1  pipes for my 06 Vegas from a private party and the remapping card was missing. I had the dealer (Arlen Ness in Dublin CA) install them. I had to pay $125 to get the download from Victory but there was no problem. I called ahead and they took care of everything. Great service from this dealer!!!

As an aside to this topic...

Thanks for the Info on the pipes.

Wow.And I thought I had a Vision

stilcrazee wrote: When I was seriously on the war path about the popping issue with my pipes I asked about re flashing my bike and was told that per Vic's "digital wrench" program, it only allowed on "authorized" down load per VIN. It does make sense that Vic should sell additional downloads for a price, as long as it isn't supposed to be done on a Sunday.

 

WOW! You managed to work in 'Popping Issue" and "Sunday" in one post. You absolutely earned those stars with THAT post.

 

LOL

Shawn

 

stilcrazee wrote: When I was seriously on the war path about the popping issue with my pipes I asked about re flashing my bike and was told that per Vic's "digital wrench" program, it only allowed on "authorized" down load per VIN. It does make sense that Vic should sell additional downloads for a price, as long as it isn't supposed to be done on a Sunday.

Why does the Dealer suck when they do not tell you what you want to hear?  Maybe you should have found this out before you bought the pipes?  Maybe asked some Vision owners on the site. 

 

I have done business at 10 different Vic Dealers in 6 States, purchased a bike from 4 of them.  I have never had a Dealer that SUCKS.  Some are better than others, but never had one that SUCKS.

 

I know in one of the recent threads someone bored out there exhaust and had Kevin do the download.  I think the card was 150?

Your dealer is blowing smoke!!! Fact down load card is avaiable without pipes. My dealer is mounting the Rpw exhaust on mine this week with the card and upgraded air filter.

I've seen plenty of threads where people bought aftermarket pipes and bought the download from their dealers.  I would open up the breaqther if I was you.  More air out needs more air in.

You mentioned installing a Power Commander and it brought back old memories. If you do install one in your bike, have an extended service contract, need work and the wrong insurance adjuster pops around to the dealership you might find out you have voided your contract. I didn't know and it was a shock. All the best...

mjw930 wrote: Any change to the flow rate of the intake or the exhaust requires the ECM to meter different amounts of fuel into the motor.  Changing pipes without the intake has the least effect but it has an effect non the less.  On the closed loop bikes the O2 sensor can adjust certain areas of the map to take advantage of the new pipes IF the changes are very very small.  Larger changes will fall outside it's ability to compensate.  Also, the bike is only using the sensors over a very narrow range of it's function, just enough to satisfy the EPA.  Areas like hard acceleration or WOT are not areas of the map that run in closed loop but they are the areas you motor is worked the most and where the proper tune is critical to performance and longevity.  Slapping on a pipe that flows more air, especially at high throttle openings WILL make an already lean bike run leaner.  Sustained use at these extremes without correcting it with a remap or a PC or a VFC will burn a valve or other not so fun things. Bottom line, if you change ANYTHING in the motor's intake or exhaust system you MUST compensate with a different fuel curve.  Whether you choose to do that with a remap or an addon fueling device is your choice. BTW, to the OP who commented about free PC maps, those are only good after you purchase the unit from them so you aren't getting anything for free and most of those maps were sent to them by their customers so they have very little invested in them.

 

Thx.  Good stuff!!

Try contacting "RPW."  Let us know the results.

dsjr70 wrote: I know in one of the recent threads someone bored out there exhaust and had Kevin do the download.  I think the card was 150?

That was me. You do not have to purchase the S1 pipes to get the download. As for getting the download I would recommend this to anyone who has changed the airflow through their engine via new pipes or other modifications. It DOES make a difference. The card was $153.00 and the labor $55.00.

Here is a lame question about remapping and downloads.