THANK YOU ARK!
For telling me what I have thought all along!  FINALLY!  Someone actually addressed the issue I was asking about!

No, Clubford, I don't think Amsoil would shroud the sound of a defect in the engine or trans, but nice try anyways!  Jst sayin' ;)

After this thread, I'm considering becoming a serious Amsoil Rep.  No kiddin'

GrayWings wrote: Putting aside whether it is or isn't advisable to use Amsoil - according to their site, they recommend 5000 mile oil change intervals based on the supposed quality of the product.  If that's the case, Amsoil is actually cheaper than Victory oil by a good margin.  Their oil has (according to them and the pdf comparative test results) passed the highest JASO standards for wet clutch use and was directly compared to Victory's oil in multiple categories.  In other words, Amsoil meets or exceeds all the requirements specifically set forth by Victory.     I don't sell or recommend Amsoil or have any other connection with them - these are just points to consider in making your own decision.

 

You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before.

My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil?

It's my choice that I change my oil somewhere in between the 2,500 - 5,000 mile range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles.

Brace yourselves here we go again.

I know that the 2009, 2010 manual states, change oil annually or evey 2,500 miles if driven in extreme conditions.

OneThumb wrote: GrayWings wrote: Putting aside whether it is or isn't advisable to use Amsoil - according to their site, they recommend 5000 mile oil change intervals based on the supposed quality of the product.  If that's the case, Amsoil is actually cheaper than Victory oil by a good margin.  Their oil has (according to them and the pdf comparative test results) passed the highest JASO standards for wet clutch use and was directly compared to Victory's oil in multiple categories.  In other words, Amsoil meets or exceeds all the requirements specifically set forth by Victory.     I don't sell or recommend Amsoil or have any other connection with them - these are just points to consider in making your own decision.      You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before. My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil? It's my choice that I change my oil between some where in the 2,500 - 7,000 range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles. Brace yourselves here we go again. I know that the 2009, 2010 manuals state oil change evey 2,500 miles.

Every 2500 miles, wow this is either a CYA by Vic or they are now being supplied some crappy oil at a good price, oops profit thing again.

they have always said 2500 miles.

Biscuit wrote: OneThumb wrote: GrayWings wrote: Putting aside whether it is or isn't advisable to use Amsoil - according to their site, they recommend 5000 mile oil change intervals based on the supposed quality of the product.  If that's the case, Amsoil is actually cheaper than Victory oil by a good margin.  Their oil has (according to them and the pdf comparative test results) passed the highest JASO standards for wet clutch use and was directly compared to Victory's oil in multiple categories.  In other words, Amsoil meets or exceeds all the requirements specifically set forth by Victory.     I don't sell or recommend Amsoil or have any other connection with them - these are just points to consider in making your own decision.      You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before. My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil? It's my choice that I change my oil between some where in the 2,500 - 7,000 range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles. Brace yourselves here we go again. I know that the 2009, 2010 manuals state oil change evey 2,500 miles. Every 2500 miles, wow this is either a CYA by Vic or they are now being supplied some crappy oil at a good price, oops profit thing again.

 

Or you COULD (Just could now) be risking a damaged motor by waiting 5000 miles to get the dirty oil out of your bike.

 

NAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH.............That couldn't happen.

 

Shawn

I know Club     jst kiddin w ya

SmattaHead wrote: I know Club     jst kiddin w ya

Biscuit wrote: OneThumb wrote: GrayWings wrote: Putting aside whether it is or isn't advisable to use Amsoil - according to their site, they recommend 5000 mile oil change intervals based on the supposed quality of the product.  If that's the case, Amsoil is actually cheaper than Victory oil by a good margin.  Their oil has (according to them and the pdf comparative test results) passed the highest JASO standards for wet clutch use and was directly compared to Victory's oil in multiple categories.  In other words, Amsoil meets or exceeds all the requirements specifically set forth by Victory.     I don't sell or recommend Amsoil or have any other connection with them - these are just points to consider in making your own decision.      You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before. My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil? It's my choice that I change my oil between some where in the 2,500 - 7,000 range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles. Brace yourselves here we go again. I know that the 2009, 2010 manuals state oil change evey 2,500 miles. Every 2500 miles, wow this is either a CYA by Vic or they are now being supplied some crappy oil at a good price, oops profit thing again.

 

 

I dont agree with the 2500 miles intervals, but there aren't to many other air cooled motors that reccomend over 3000 miles between oil changes.  No crappy oil by Vic, it is actually a very good blend, and they...

 

Oh crap, I promised I wouldnt get back into this.  So use what you want and wait 40,000 miles between changes. 

 

Hey Kevin!  Allot of people are going to keep you busy ...lol

OK, as a "newbie" to Vics and their air cooled engines, now you all have me completely confused.  I think I'm going to go with a 50/50 blend of Vic oil/Amsoil and alternate oil changes between every 1250 miles and every 3750 miles.  Seriously, you hear so much that you don't know what to believe.  Maybe I'll just take my bike to Jiffy Lube and use what they recommend!

VictoryRob wrote: OK, as a "newbie" to Vics and their air cooled engines, now you all have me completely confused.  I think I'm going to go with a 50/50 blend of Vic oil/Amsoil and alternate oil changes between every 1250 miles and every 3750 miles.  Seriously, you hear so much that you don't know what to believe.  Maybe I'll just take my bike to Jiffy Lube and use what they recommend!

 

Well, all I can say is 40+k miles on one Vegas, 9000 on the other Vegas and 5000 on my Vision.  I followed the recommendations from the manufacturer on the type of oil and the intervals and have had no issues.

  Ok, so when your motor crumbles into a million pieces, who will you be expecting to cover the replacement or repairs? I mean, if Amsoil recommends 5000 mile intervals they will pay up....right? Ya, you know what they are going to say. "Go back to your manufacturer, it's a warranty issue."

 

  Now I want to be there with the owner of a motorless bike when the Victory Manufacturers rep asks: "So how often do you change the oil?" PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE! make sure you post the Reps response when you tell him/her that you changed the oil HALF AS MANY TIMES as your warranty demands.

 

  Good luck with that....LMFAO!

 

Shawn

dsjr70 wrote: VictoryRob wrote: OK, as a "newbie" to Vics and their air cooled engines, now you all have me completely confused.  I think I'm going to go with a 50/50 blend of Vic oil/Amsoil and alternate oil changes between every 1250 miles and every 3750 miles.  Seriously, you hear so much that you don't know what to believe.  Maybe I'll just take my bike to Jiffy Lube and use what they recommend!   Well, all I can say is 40+k miles on one Vegas, 9000 on the other Vegas and 5000 on my Vision.  I followed the recommendations from the manufacturer on the type of oil and the intervals and have had no issues.

I know, Don, I was being facetious and just trying to add some levity to all of this.  Although I'm a little concerned about potential warranty management issues (I'd be curious what did end up happening to that guy with the obviously defected clutch).  For me, I will stick with Vic oil just to make tracking and servicing easier, and not because it's better.  As someone previously mentioned, Vic doesn't have their own oil fractionating facility and I'm sure Amsoil and others would be fine, but while in my 5 year warranty period, I'll stick with what they "recommend".  After that period, I will probably try other similar characteristic oils.  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it...".  In regards to engine noise, those Ducati guys love and try to enhance the sound of their dry clutches.  I think it sounds horrible, but to each his own.  I don't think the 106 sounds too bad to begin with.  It's "rugged".  If you want quiet, get my friends BMW.  I wouldn't even know if he was next to me if I didn't physically look at him.

OneThumb wrote: You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before.  My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil? It's my choice that I change my oil somewhere in between the 2,500 - 5,000 mile range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles. Brace yourselves here we go again. I know that the 2009, 2010 manual states, change oil annually or evey 2,500 miles if driven in extreme conditions.

You must have a different manual than I do.  Mine clearly says R (replace) oil every 2500 miles or annually.  Maybe you can show me where it allows 5000.  And why is it "a can of worms" around here?  There is more than one side to any viewpoint, though from what I've seen from some here, only one side is acceptable and the other is subject to ridicule.  And I didn't take a 'side'.  I didn't recommend anything.  I just pointed out the flawed reasoning in some arguments and none of that was ever refuted.  Not necessarily from you OneThumb, but others have been clear in their adamant refusal to understand that or accept another opinion.  It doesn't take a degree in lubrication and petroleum refining to understand some basic logic and legality. 

dsjr70 wrote: I dont agree with the 2500 miles intervals, but there aren't to many other air cooled motors that reccomend over 3000 miles between oil changes.  No crappy oil by Vic, it is actually a very good blend, and they...   Oh crap, I promised I wouldnt get back into this.  So use what you want and wait 40,000 miles between changes.    Hey Kevin!  Allot of people are going to keep you busy ...lol

That's simply not true.  Many bikes (air cooled) have intervals longer than Victory's 2500.   You just can't let it go can you?  Not every one is going to agree with you on everything, though you clearly expect it or get upset and make these exaggerated comments to demean the other view.   I'm beginning to understand the "can of worms" remark by OneThumb and why that is. 

dsjr70 wrote: Well, all I can say is 40+k miles on one Vegas, 9000 on the other Vegas and 5000 on my Vision.  I followed the recommendations from the manufacturer on the type of oil and the intervals and have had no issues.

And that proves what, exactly?  Previously you alerted kevinx to look out for those people who don't follow your oil brand choice.  Yet, he does cam upgrades and fuel controllers too - do you warn people away from him for that?  That's a lot different than simply using a different oil brand.  Why this simple question of an oil BRAND - same or better specs as Victory - causes such a problem is beyond understanding.  But what do I know, my degree and years of experience were in another field.  Good grief.

advntrus wrote:   Ok, so when your motor crumbles into a million pieces, who will you be expecting to cover the replacement or repairs? I mean, if Amsoil recommends 5000 mile intervals they will pay up....right? Ya, you know what they are going to say. "Go back to your manufacturer, it's a warranty issue."     Now I want to be there with the owner of a motorless bike when the Victory Manufacturers rep asks: "So how often do you change the oil?" PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE! make sure you post the Reps response when you tell him/her that you changed the oil HALF AS MANY TIMES as your warranty demands.     Good luck with that....LMFAO!   Shawn

Wow, you folks really like to deal in hyperbole don't you?  Now you have the engine crumbling in a million pieces, motorless bikes and lawuits galore.  Where do you get this stuff?  Not from me, I never suggested violating the bike's warranty period by exceeding any limit.  Using another BRAND of oil is not exceeding a limit.  If someone chooses to use Amsoil and use their recommended 5000 mile drain interval after the warranty expires, Amsoil has a warranty to cover it.  I have read numerous complaints about Victory warranty coverage on pretty significant items, so don't tell me how Victory stands by its warranty and Amsoil won't.  There is AMPLE EVIDENCE that Victory HAS refused many warranty claims on their own defects and issues.  To my knowledge there has NEVER been an engine failure in a Vision due to Amsoil oil and therefore NO EVIDENCE that Amsoil has or will deny a claim.  So history and facts are on Amsoil's side in this one.  Still laughing?

Again, I'm not suggesting anyone use Amsoil or extend drain intervals (though OneThumb says Victory allows a 5000 mile interval).  I'm just debating what are  obviously flawed comments and logic about the issue.  I think this is the point that is being missed or I am not communicating it properly. 

I just received my Amsoil delivery via UPS.
I read the back of the label and it clearly says
that it is recommended for Victory, as well as
other motorcycles, which I was not aware of.

Of course, if I had a warranty, I would stick with
the Victory oil product, and I never suggested
otherwise.

after I change the oil and do a noise analysis,
I will be happy to post my comments!  
From the looks of things, I'm pretty confident
this thread will still be going on by then!

quote="GrayWings  quote="dsjr70"

Well, all I can say is 40+k miles on one Vegas, 9000 on the other Vegas and 5000 on my Vision.  I followed the recommendations from the manufacturer on the type of oil and the intervals and have had no issues.

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And that proves what, exactly?  Previously you alerted kevinx to look out for those people who don't follow your oil brand choice. 


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I said nothing about brand of oil.  I was making reference to the joke about the 5000 mile service intervals.

GrayWings wrote: OneThumb wrote: You just opened up another can of worms. LOL We have been through this before.  My 2008 Manual states I can change my oil every 5,000 miles. So where does the cost cutting factor apply when useing Amsoil? It's my choice that I change my oil somewhere in between the 2,500 - 5,000 mile range depending on my driving conditions whether they were hi-way or city miles. Brace yourselves here we go again. I know that the 2009, 2010 manual states, change oil annually or evey 2,500 miles if driven in extreme conditions. You must have a different manual than I do.  Mine clearly says R (replace) oil every 2500 miles or annually.  Maybe you can show me where it allows 5000.  And why is it "a can of worms" around here?  There is more than one side to any viewpoint, though from what I've seen from some here, only one side is acceptable and the other is subject to ridicule.  And I didn't take a 'side'.  I didn't recommend anything.  I just pointed out the flawed reasoning in some arguments and none of that was ever refuted.  Not necessarily from you OneThumb, but others have been clear in their adamant refusal to understand that or accept another opinion.  It doesn't take a degree in lubrication and petroleum refining to understand some basic logic and legality.

 

This was another sore topic that came out awhile back.  The 08 Vegas manual states 5000 miles oil change intervals.  All the rest say 2500 mile.

 

As far as legality, my only point was why do you want to put yourself in that position if your bike is under warranty. 

 

I do have a degree and I was the first to say there are other oils that are better.  But I did that with caution because there was a brand mentioned in this thread and many other oil threads that is not certified for use with a wet-clutch system. 

quote="GrayWings" quote="dsjr70"

I dont agree with the 2500 miles intervals, but there aren't to many other air cooled motors that reccomend over 3000 miles between oil changes.  No crappy oil by Vic, it is actually a very good blend, and they...

 

Oh crap, I promised I wouldnt get back into this.  So use what you want and wait 40,000 miles between changes. 

 

Hey Kevin!  Allot of people are going to keep you busy ...lol

That's simply not true.  Many bikes (air cooled) have intervals longer than Victory's 2500.   You just can't let it go can you?  Not every one is going to agree with you on everything, though you clearly expect it or get upset and make these exaggerated comments to demean the other view.   I'm beginning to understand the "can of worms" remark by OneThumb and why that is. 
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Read what I write no what you think I am implying.  All I said is there are not "to many" manufacturers, did not say there aren't any.  I dont care if anyone agrees with me.  I did let it go, you got me back into this crappy discussion and I dont get upset because nothing here really matters to me.

 

Again I go back to my original statement that got you in a tizzy.  WHO AM I TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEN WHAT THE MANUFACTURER STATES IF SOMEONE HAS A BIKE THAT IS UNDER WARRANTY?

 

That was all I said and you make it sound like the end of the world because I don't support Amsoil.  I will support Amsoil when I see independant testing, I have been told it has been done but no one here, including yourself, can tell me where to find it.

 

Where am I so wrong with what I said that is giving you this huge problem with me?

quote="GrayWings"
I have read numerous complaints about Victory warranty coverage on pretty significant items, so don't tell me how Victory stands by its warranty and Amsoil won't.  There is AMPLE EVIDENCE that Victory HAS refused many warranty claims on their own defects and issues.  [/quote]

 

You just made my whole point and your in disagreement with me?  You have a manufacturer, in your words, "has refused many warranty claims".

 

Why would you want to give them any addition reason to refuse a warranty claim?

If you want to know how your oil is performing spend $30 and send it off to Blackstone Labs. Try two different brands and they will tell you the difference and what mileage you can safely run. http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ As far as clutch slippage do not use energy conserving oil in wet-clutch bikes.

dsjr70 wrote: quote="GrayWings" I have read numerous complaints about Victory warranty coverage on pretty significant items, so don't tell me how Victory stands by its warranty and Amsoil won't.  There is AMPLE EVIDENCE that Victory HAS refused many warranty claims on their own defects and issues.

 

You just made my whole point and your in disagreement with me?  You have a manufacturer, in your words, "has refused many warranty claims".

 

Why would you want to give them any addition reason to refuse a warranty claim?

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  It's getting to be a challange to believe that some of the comments I'm reading, are written by people that actually walk upright!

 

Shawn

If you go to the Victory Site, you can open up Manuals for each model year.

For model years 2008 and older you will notice, Engine Oil*, Engine Oil Filter*

With a R (Replace) every 5,000 miles.

 

For model years 2009 - 2010 you will notice, Enging Oil*, Engine Oil Filter*

With a R (Replace) every 2,500 miles.

 

In all the Manuals it States, (For one *) "*Replace at specified interval or annually. If driven in extreme conditions, engine oil and filter should be changed every 2,500 miles.

(examples: frequent operation in stop-and-go traffic, short trips, dusty conditions, fully loaded, aggressive riding, high ambient temperatures)" (To me this makes sense.)

 

Most of us operate our bikes under these extreme conditions all the time, stop and go in city traffic at higher RPMs which create higher temperatures. My oil changes will be between the 2,500 and 3,000 miles range.

 

Now for longer runs at Hi-way crusing speeds at lower RPMs, plus the engine is getting better air flow and cooling. My oil change may be extend to the 4,000 or 5,000 mile range depending on the above conditions.

 

I have noticed that as I reach the time for an oil change the gear shifting takes a little more effort, but once done the shifting is much quieter and easier.

 

I also noticed when the temperature dropped below 40F, the engine and tramsission made more noise, (engine whine was louder).

I was wondering if blocking off the oil cooler with a small sheet of plastic would allow the engine to run at a higher operating temp. with just air cooling on the engine.

Have any of you noticed this?

For New Victory oweners, if you are going to do your own oil changes, invest in a quality 1/4" drive torque wrench for reinstalling drain plug. I hear horror stories all the time from those who have stripped their crankcase threads by over tightening. (15ftlbs max) Always install with new copper crush washer.

I use Victory Oil,

OT

Not sure if I'd want too block off oil cooler without a visible oil gauge to tell me temp, just in case something didn't go right.

Regards